Comments on: Zeldin on Conversation http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/zeldin-on-conversation/ Exploring Knowledge Management and Strategic Foresight Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:56:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Luke Naismith http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/zeldin-on-conversation/#comment-9688 Luke Naismith Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:12:11 +0000 http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-9688 Dear Henry The receiving of communication works best when people have a clear idea of who they are, what they are looking for, and an open mind towards the message. As you are writing under a pseudonym, I am not sure whether you know who you are (although I know who you really are), you may have an idea of what you are looking for, and as far as an open mind, it doesn't count if your mind is an empty shell and messages pass straight through without touching the sides. Or Henry, you could just be toying with me and having fun!! Dear Henry
The receiving of communication works best when people have a clear idea of who they are, what they are looking for, and an open mind towards the message. As you are writing under a pseudonym, I am not sure whether you know who you are (although I know who you really are), you may have an idea of what you are looking for, and as far as an open mind, it doesn’t count if your mind is an empty shell and messages pass straight through without touching the sides.

Or Henry, you could just be toying with me and having fun!!

]]> By: Henry Pym http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/zeldin-on-conversation/#comment-9687 Henry Pym Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:56:22 +0000 http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-9687 What do you mean ? What do you mean ?

]]> By: Luke Naismith http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/zeldin-on-conversation/#comment-9654 Luke Naismith Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:14:49 +0000 http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-9654 Thanks for that David and good to hear from you - been a while. I like Bernard Shaw's observation - most of us think we have communicated when we have told someone something but it only occurs when someone effectively listens to the communication. It's the recipient, not the author. Whether that is nonsense or commonsense is up to you, of course! Thanks for that David and good to hear from you - been a while.
I like Bernard Shaw’s observation - most of us think we have communicated when we have told someone something but it only occurs when someone effectively listens to the communication. It’s the recipient, not the author. Whether that is nonsense or commonsense is up to you, of course!

]]> By: David Montgomery http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/zeldin-on-conversation/#comment-9653 David Montgomery Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:59:01 +0000 http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-9653 "Now in speaking to a very learned gentleman (RH) on this, Zeldin’s book is just commonsense. Of course I agree! But it often serves to be reminded of that. It’s just like managing people is just commonsense but a shame that too many managers leave their commonsense at home." Whoops.....commonsense, sorry guv I left it on the mantelpiece at home. Commonsense is rapidly becoming an oxymoron since, the term implies it is ubiquitous when clearly it is not. I have not read the book by Zeldin so do not know if it adds anything beyond Bernard Shaw's insightful observation that "the problem with communication is the illusion that it has been achieved." Perhaps most conversations today are more nonsense than commonsense or more SMS than oral? Or perhaps we're too busy sense making rather than making sense of.........mmmmm......where are the sensei when you need them? “Now in speaking to a very learned gentleman (RH) on this, Zeldin’s book is just commonsense. Of course I agree! But it often serves to be reminded of that. It’s just like managing people is just commonsense but a shame that too many managers leave their commonsense at home.”

Whoops…..commonsense, sorry guv I left it on the mantelpiece at home.

Commonsense is rapidly becoming an oxymoron since, the term implies it is ubiquitous when clearly it is not. I have not read the book by Zeldin so do not know if it adds anything beyond Bernard Shaw’s insightful observation that “the problem with communication is the illusion that it has been achieved.”

Perhaps most conversations today are more nonsense than commonsense or more SMS than oral? Or perhaps we’re too busy sense making rather than making sense of………mmmmm……where are the sensei when you need them?

]]> By: Nerida Hart http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/zeldin-on-conversation/#comment-9648 Nerida Hart Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:15:42 +0000 http://knowledgefutures.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-9648 Interesting post Luke - yet another book I need to read 8-) (so many books so little time) I like the idea of long slow conversations - I wonder if this could be called tantric conversation ?? I listed to a great podcast on PopTech about the time we don't take these days http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/popcasts.aspx?lang=&viewcastid=164 Another great blog Cheers Nerida Interesting post Luke - yet another book I need to read 8-) (so many books so little time)

I like the idea of long slow conversations - I wonder if this could be called tantric conversation ??

I listed to a great podcast on PopTech about the time we don’t take these days http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/popcasts.aspx?lang=&viewcastid=164

Another great blog

Cheers

Nerida

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